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DnD’s spellcasting-focused gishes do get Extra Attack at level 5 or 6, but they’re (usually) not as good with weapons as strict martials.
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extra attack and spellcasting. This is
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an interesting balance point between
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classes that are full spellcasters and
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classes that are fully marshall and that
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kind of spectrum in between those two
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end points. Armor Frog here is pointing
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out that a lot of spellcasters that end
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up getting extra attacks, such as the
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blades wizard, get it right at level
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five or sometimes at level six,
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depending on when they get subclass
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features. But marshall characters that
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get spellcasting, such as the Eldrich
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Knight Fighter, the Arcane Trickster
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Rogue, and arguably the Paladin and
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Artificer, don't get spellcasting at the
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same rate that full spellcasters do. So,
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it feels like in a lot of ways
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spellcasters are getting the cool thing
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that only marshals are supposed to have,
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like at the same rate that they do, but
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marshals are getting the thing that
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spellcasters are supposed to have much
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slower, which feels unfair to some
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degree. Yes, it is unfair. D and D has
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always heavily favored spellcasters over
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marshall characters. Certainly, at least
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for as long as I've been playing, 3 was
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nuts. But at the same time, spellcasters
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just aren't as good at using extra
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attack as marshall characters are. The
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blades gets extra attack, and one of
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those attacks can be replaced by a
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cantrip. So, like that's that's arguably
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better than what a marshall character
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can do at level five. Sure, the two bard
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subasses that get extra attack have very
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little that benefits extra attack. So
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yes, they get it. Yes, they can swing a
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weapon, but a fighter at the same level
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is going to be much more effective with
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their weapon attacks. So there's still a
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gap in effectiveness with using weapons,
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even when spellcasters do get extra
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attack. And at the same time, those
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marshall characters that get spell
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casting get it at a reduced rate
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compared to full spellcasters because
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they're supposed to be relying primarily
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on their weapon attacks. and the spell
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casting is a complement to their core
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feature set. So comparing the two is
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very interesting. It does feel very odd
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sometimes and seeing extra attack on a
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full spellcaster is always like, yeah,
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okay, they already have all the nice
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things. Why do they get my nice thing,
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too, but I don't actually think it's
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that much of an issue. Watsi has mostly
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done a good job of balancing the two
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needs there. There's obviously all kinds
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of problems as soon as you introduce
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specific spells, but for the most part,
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the concept as a whole isn't a
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